Bah !!
I might have known, its been raining a fair bit so im not going to go down to the river untl later on, possibly it may have started to clear by then.
I managed to track someone down that was tying those Clyde Style flies so with a bit of luck they will arrive within the next few days and i may manage to try them out before the season ends. If anyone wants some i can pass on the persons details to you… just email me at aliferste@hotmail.com