1. Roddy Finnie · March 24, 2009

    Yes Alistair…totally agree with the need for Arnie and chums (Dolf Lundgren, Jackie Chan, Yojimbo and Hannibal Lectur) to do the joab as bailiffs. Just wonder how many tough guys will be volunteering thought…any wagers?!?

  2. Peter · March 24, 2009

    Methinks portraying these guys as enforcers, could have an adverse affect on our knuckle-dragging neighbourhood neds.`Tough guys`,it conjures up scenes of aggressive confrontation. Just what powers do our new bailiffs have and do they only patrol at weekends? Will RKAA send out a flyer with new contact phone no.s,or do you still contact the Wildlife Officer?

  3. Frank · March 24, 2009

    This is just the begining guys!! You mark my words!! A glasgow angler and a glaswegian bailiff having words will end in tears. Or possibly a few broken bones!! And the water will still be poached so really the only people this stunt will affect will be us! The honest angler! And were will it affect us? in the pocket as per usual!! Thats why i have decided to keep my money and join a nice wee club close to home with beautifull wild and stocked trout in peacefull surroundings and were all the members are anglers and not 16 year old neds with £9.99 kill the fish kits from the GAC!! Sorry lads but thats how i feel this year!

    P.S. Keep up the good work with the site Alistair!

  4. Peter · March 24, 2009

    I`ve just got my permit(the one that penalises you for working), as I have done the past 7 years.Don`t get me wrong,I think the £20.00 permit fee is still a sweet deal,but most of the anglers we`ve talked with are sick fed up subsidising others` fishing.We`ve seen the river deteriorate in the past two years and the two outings this season we`ve had,have done nothing to make me think this season will be any better.The same morons fishing static baits at the same places as last season(you know the year round fishermen).Hi Frank,guess what we found discarded on the bank? Yup a GAC £9.99 special rod and reel bubble wrap. Maybe next season pastures new,unless something changes for the better.

  5. Alistair · March 24, 2009

    Hey Guys – there will always be that element that fishes with a 9.99 special rod :-/ all we can do is talk to these guys and try and educate them the best way we can – after all they are probably not catching many fish!

    Next year I reckon (like a lot of clubs) the unemployed will be paying full whack – wait and see!

  6. Peter · March 24, 2009

    I wasn`t referring to the unemployed who if they`ve paid £15.00, should be praised for their efforts in raising the cash. The morons I`m seething at are the f*”k you and your permits brigade.To be perfectly honest they`re beyond educating.

  7. DS Fly Fishing · March 24, 2009

    Funny, here in California, the budget crisis in our state has forced our bureaucrats to slash many things include fish and game officers. : (

    DS Fly Fishing’s last blog post..The Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear Fly

  8. Paul · March 24, 2009

    Alright Alistair its been a while since i last commented on your wonderful blog.
    I was wondering what your thoughts were now that your more involved with the commitee for the Kelvin on day permits??? The bailiffs could have a booklet of them on their person and when they come across a non permit holder they can then educate them and sell them a day ticket thus creating more funds for the future of the Kelvin??
    Just a thought Paul

  9. Alistair · March 24, 2009

    Hey Paul – get your ass into the forum and ask the question- your absence has been noted!

    You been out fishing yet?

  10. Roddy Finnie · March 24, 2009

    Every club angler has to realise that voluntary bailiffs (as they are on the Clyde System) are unpaid and try their best to stop poaching and educate the poachers, however this is not entirely successful nor is it entirely the job of voluntary bailiffs to look after club waters…primarily its down to the members to pitch in and do their bit as well. Recently (on another part of this website) I read a few comments written by an ex-Busby member who was at pains to tell the world that we don’t do anything about poaching, well, as I said earlier in this reply, its up to the members to make an effort as well and they cannot expect that “somebody else” will fly down there at a moments notice and sort everything out to that members satisfaction. Futhermore, that ex-Busby members was amongst other members who have been repeatedly told that in the first instance they MUST phone the local police and on our permits there are several numbers for local community officers who have been “tuned in” by me regards Fisheries Protection Law: some are actually Wildlife Crime Officers into the bargain. As I said on another related blog; I have been trying (via MSPs, MPs) to get our Clyde System Bailiffs some form of salary as, realitically, you cannot expect somebody to do such a dangerous job (for perpetuity) for no form of recompense. A final point is this: it is very easy for a club member of the Kelvin, Busby, Avon etc, etc, to become a Warranted Bailiff: apart from the willingness all it takes is for you to get a basic disclosure done on yourself via Disclosure Scotland and then give it too your club Secretary who will (in turn) propose you as a Scottish Ministers Appointed Water Bailiff for the Clyde System: it’ll cost you £14 for to get this disclosure done. Incidentally, and before I forget: these bailiffs (under Section 55 of the Freshwater Fisheries (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 2003 have the powers of Entry, Search, Seizure and Arrest. Bottom line is this fellows…the more bailiffs we have on the system (whether thats the Kelvin, White Cart etc) the more likely are we to succeed in combating poaching…so think not what your club can do for you; thing what you can do for your club!
    Scottish Ministers Appointed Water Bailiffs since 1998.

  11. Roddy Finnie · March 24, 2009

    Oh, meant to say that for years the Busby AA gives both Season and Day Permits to our bailiffs and its committee members as you never know who you will bump into and its often best to have permits on your person, as for example, it cuts out the problem of the poacher saying “oh, I will buy one later on” or something akin to that…you having permits on your person cancells out his need to get one later on cos you can provide him with one there and then.
    Another wee point (brought by a fellow) about the unemployed: for years I have openly said to the guys that are unemployed they can (if it suits their circumstances) pay they’re permit in installments: while that might be laughable to those in jobs, it is often greeted with “thanks a lot” by those that don’t have a great deal of money and shows a little humility, and there is nothing wrong with that.
    PS, I wonder if the ex-Busby member will be applying for a warrant as a Kelvin member?!?!

  12. Roddy Finnie · March 24, 2009

    Alistair is quite correct when he says that these poachers are not catching many fish…in fact I’d say many of the “moaning members brigade” are just as ineffective as some of these poachers, as, after all, every year I get phone calls from new members asking “where are the good bits of the river?”…not only are they completely oblivious to the fact that it takes years to learn about a river (cos it will change every year) but they are also (I’d argue) insisting that the club they’ve just joined gives them instant gratification to their perceived standards.
    99 out of 100 poachers are ineffectual…infact they’re downright rubbish at catching fish. I cannot remembered who coined this phrase (no doubt somebody will tell me) but it was once said that “one percent of the anglers catch ninety-nine percent of the fish”. The arseholes that glued to the bank (in the same area, day in day out) are in the ‘ninety-nine percent’ league, and frankly I would not bother with them as if they catch anything it will be a bloody miracle!
    Enough of my moans for the day!

  13. jnisbet · March 24, 2009

    Bad encounter with new Bailiffs Demanding to see permit. no proof of identity. very arrogant. lucky they were not sued, for harassment. illegally challenged. hope they learn manners. Heard anothers complaining about them also

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