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8:44 pm
September 2, 2008


Trout Weasel

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Hello, been reading the blog for sometime and really enjot it, so well done Alistair!!

Happy hunting for the pike. I know where you fish for them and have heard good things of that area.

Myself, well I have fished for years, mainly float/ledger/spinning for trout. However this year I have bought a fly rod and reel and given “real” fishing a go. Initially finding mastering the technique difficult, but plodding on with it. My local river is the Allander and have recently taken a walk up or down it with my £9.99 fly rod. Have had some sucess with a few trout on each trip, nothing to write home abot, but great fun. I have been at the “50's” and the Jenny Lynn pools, and they are good. Just hoping for something bigger, but will bide my time. Might even invest in a better rod, as it was given the thumbs down where I had an inpromtu flycasting lesson while on holiday in North Uist.

I regularly feed the trout in a pool in the river, but can't fish there. I have seen salmon to about 12 lbs in there waiting for some height in the river, and the pool also attracts some wild sea trout that love wholegrain brown bread.

Have a Kelvin permit and have fished the meeting pool without much sucess.

Anyone else had any sucess on the Allander?

8:49 pm
September 2, 2008


Alistair

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aliferste

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Hey Trout Weasel - yup I enjoy fishing the Allander - combat fly fishing at its best - full of small trout that fight well on the fly rod (there can be a few suprises though) I have never met another person fishing it :-)

11:14 pm
September 4, 2008


oworm

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I have fished just about every inch of the Allander from the source to the meetings. I cut my flyfishing teeth on it and have caught literaly thousands of trout from it. Occasionally I revisit in my minds eye the many hours I spent wandering up and down its length catching pan size Trout. There were virtually no migratory fish in the Kelvin system then. I dread to think of the merry dance a hefty Sea Trout or Salmon would lead  you should you hook one in that mellie of overhanging branches and submerged rocks. It would be a nice dance though!

5:19 pm
September 7, 2008


Trout Weasel

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oworm, nice one!! I am currently cutting my flyfishing teeth on it, trying not to hook too many dogs, trees, nettles and Tesco shopping trollies!! catch one or two each time, but mostly tiddlers, but it is strangely satisfying. I have an exteremy cheap rod, and really wonder if it does my casting any good, but on a river the size of the Allander you dont need much distance.


Alistair (or anyone), one question I have is that what is the difference in the rod weighting? I mean what is the difference between a 4 weight and a 7 weight? My take is the a 7 has less whip, therefore more suited to heavier line and fish. Any recomendations for a cheapish fly rod that would do for brown trout and maybe a small sea trout? The rod I use cost less than a tenner.

Also any fly recomendations for small river? I have been using wee teal coloured things, still not sure of all the names, but they seem to be doing well. Usually lose 1 or two a trip and it has been know to have to tie on another without the first getting close to the water.

Might try some worming and spinning at the meetings this week…

TW

8:05 pm
September 7, 2008


Stuart B

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Trout Weasel said:

oworm, nice one!! I am currently cutting my flyfishing teeth on it, trying not to hook too many dogs, trees, nettles and Tesco shopping trollies!! catch one or two each time, but mostly tiddlers, but it is strangely satisfying. I have an exteremy cheap rod, and really wonder if it does my casting any good, but on a river the size of the Allander you dont need much distance.


Alistair (or anyone), one question I have is that what is the difference in the rod weighting? I mean what is the difference between a 4 weight and a 7 weight? My take is the a 7 has less whip, therefore more suited to heavier line and fish. Any recomendations for a cheapish fly rod that would do for brown trout and maybe a small sea trout? The rod I use cost less than a tenner.

Also any fly recomendations for small river? I have been using wee teal coloured things, still not sure of all the names, but they seem to be doing well. Usually lose 1 or two a trip and it has been know to have to tie on another without the first getting close to the water.

Might try some worming and spinning at the meetings this week…

TW

I'm no expert but you might be confusing the weight of line a rod is designed for and the “action” of the rod .

This one article ..Google for some more like “Explaining Fly Rod Weights”.there are bound to be loads .

http://www.flyfishinggear.info/buyers_guide/fly_rods_weight.shtm


8:24 pm
September 7, 2008


Alistair

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aliferste

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Hiya, 

A typical river rod should be about 8 feet long rated for a 4/5 weight Line….that might seem confusing and it is kind of. Essentially a lighter line is for smaller fish and smaller flies and a high number is for big flies and big fish. 4/5 is nice and in the middle although I use a true 8 foot 4 weight - an orvis superfine troutbum. 

When you talk about “whip” you must mean the action of the rod - if the rod is more whippy then we say that has a slow action - if it is stiff we say that has a fast action. Generally speaking slow action rods cover casting faults (which is why I like them) as well as feeling absolutley lovely in the hand when fishing small streams. 

If you want to take your fly fishing seriously (and if you do you will never look at a smelly worm again) you will have to spend a little money on some good gear other wise you will wander along wondering why you are not catching anything and really wonderinh what all the fuss about fly fishing is about.

 Without further ado here is my plan for your eternal happiness..

Put away your spinning rod and never touch it again unless you surely “must” spin for Salmon - it will only be a distraction on your journey!

You need a new rod and general overall outfit…buy this one now

For flies - I use the same flies I use everywhere 

FLies 1

Flies 2

Essentially, some cdc&elks, some comparaduns, some klinkhammers and some pheasant tail nymphs will do the job. You van buy them frpm the GAC or through Flying Hooks.

After getting all that stuff you need to do some reading because if you dont you will never catch anything or learn how to fish the fly properly…I recommend - this book.

While you are reading as much info as you can, invest in some casting lessons - contact this guy and book an hour or two. 

You could also read a little about insect life

And that my friend is how you will become a fantastic fly fisherman!

If you do all that you will thank me in a couple of years, as it will be a couple of seasons before you really “get it” - I promise you when you do “get it” you will be amazed!


 


 

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